Phew! U-21 losses need added And after Scotty started the engines, the aerial refueling receptacle would only operate some of the time. Thank you Sir for your service. All I was aware of was a short, sharp ringing sound and my white, silk parachute billowing above me. Takeoff in a heavily-loaded Phantom requires some explanation. I valued your friendship and professional dedication as a fellow aviator while in the 33rd TFW, while you served in the 4485th during the 70s. Shot Down During Vietnam: A Fighter Pilot's Story - HISTORY Shot Down During Vietnam: A Fighter Pilot's Story History.com Editors TV-14 2:42 In 1966, an American fighter pilot took off. I found out what its like to be a zoo animal except nobody threw me any peanuts. We lost him in 2012. Thus ended my first day as a POW in North Vietnam. Theyd land opposite direction on the same runway. 31 DEC 71. The eight-engine bomber was brought down by a North Vietnamese surface-to-air missile. All commenters here need to start this needed movement for due change. You and your fellow POWs were and are the best of this nation. Btw, Uncle Walter was an anti-American, extreme lefty. Wasnt much left for my remaining Six. Hull blown-up. I wish I could have expressed my thanks to your Elder Eagle for successfully completing his mission to spring me out of jail. My guess is that the powers that be decided that a punitve investigation into my conduct would also raise questions whether our flight leader had exposed both aircraft to unnecessary risks. An Air Force pilot and air commando who was shot down in 1970 during the Vietnam War will be buried at the Air Force Academy. Theyd blow up on the runway. B/2/20 ARA #63-08597 A/C was shot down and after it hit exploded into flames. When the Vietnam War ended in 1973, Mohawk losses were: one shot down by a MiG, one destroyed by mortar fire, 27 lost to ground fire and 36 destroyed in operational accidents. All these thoughts, survival instincts and USAF training synthesized into one, crystal clear and powerful inspiration. I reached bingo, bingo minus 5, minus 10, minus 15, and reported to lead each time. Served in SAC during early fifties and proud of our commander. (This content is not subject to review by Daily Kos staff prior to publication. Our brand-new LtCol had dreams of a DFC or Silver Star, so we drove 250 miles or so North, with marginal weather at Chu Lai, to volunteer our (his) effort. This requires the pilot to smoothly and precisely adjust control inputs to maintain takeoff attitude as the aircraft accelerates and the landing gear and flaps are retracted. VS-41 at NAS North Island retained four of the borrowed Broncos to be used for training replacement pilots and maintenance personnel. 1:00 Jan. 6 will mark 50 years since former Newburgh resident Dave Middleton was shot down in Vietnam while piloting a Loach helicopter on a mission to which he wasn't originally assigned.. I hope some day that our government will find the courage to ask what happened to the missing pilots whose names or Escape and Evasion codes and authenticator numbers were photographed by U.S. satellites long after the war was overDavid Allinson(8888), Peter Matthes (GX2527), and Henry Serex (SEREX) to name a few. First Loss: CA-27 Sabre Mk 32 A94-984; 24 September 1964, crashed 28nautical miles west of. And Mr. Crecca, again, I thank you. Thank you for your service! Thank you Mr. Meadows, And we who flew the mighty Phantoms were in your debt,too. I slipped off the right wing of the tanker into a spot 50 feet aft of where Id have to be for the boomer to plug into my receptacle. | site designed by. [9][10]:268. Rest in Peace, dear Scotty. Thank you for your sentiments. Lost contact with you shortly after you were so kind to make comments at my FedEx retirement party. They fixed it. Despite the excellent sound-sealing qualities of my helmet, their jabbering was extremely loud and intense. There was a terrifyingly loud and long explosion followed by staccato metal-to-metal sounds, probably of the J-79 turbine and compressor blades departing for parts unknown. The lone horse jumped the fence and hadnt been seen. A C-47 was the very first USAF aircraft lost in the SEA conflict, C-47B 44-76330 (315th Air Division) on TDY at. Iwo Jima. Using first-hand accounts from diary entries, letters, and family stories, Snyder revives experiences that are accessible and relevant both to historians and readers with a casual interest in . I yelled on the intercom, Deep six check! We had been taught to respect and trust the higher-ups that won WWII, Little could we conceive that the USMC and the USAF began the conflict with almost total ignorance of what was required for this exercise in power projection. Glad to see you made it home, I remember that in 1972, 3, 4 & 5 most of America was oblivious to the fact that there was still a war going on & had moved on. 149959 AH 300 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile (SAM) during a combat mission over North Vietnam. Our own Phantom was suffering from a variety of ills. The Republic of Vietnam lost 1,018 aircraft and helicopters from January 1964 to September 1973. Fritz was Nape. Richard Stephen "Steve" Ritchie and Weapons System Officer Capt. And Ill always remember how you and Tom Nordberg stood up for me in Anchorage. Youve earned it. But, I knew the SA-2 was a powerful weapon; 400 lbs. Republic F-105 Thunderchief. How about that for a cool presence of mind? First loss: EC-121R 67-24193 (554th Reconnaissance Squadron, 553d RW) crashed 25 April 1969 on take-off in a thunderstorm from. Joe, Every Friday Im privileged to have lunch with a WWII veteran who flew virtually every airplane in the arsenal of the time. Caribou A4-193 was destroyed by mortar fire while taxiing at That Son (near the Cambodian border) on 29 March 1970. I just received some additional email comments on my article and browsed through the older ones and saw yours. John McCain JohnMcCain Share this article Everybody has heard by now that John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam, captured, and held as a Prisoner of War; it apparently, to some, is his. But that didnt keep the Triple Nickel (555th TFS) from calling themselves the Largest distributors of MiG parts in Southeast Asia. Not as of 05NOV66 they werent. [I was USAF SAC (enlisted) 62-66. Two were pilots, two Air Force weapon systems officers, and two Navy radar intercept officer; both awarded an aerial-kill claim for each enemy aircraft shot-down. It was proving a good day for Navy Lt. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, and his back-seat. My gratitude to you and to all servicemen and women willing to suffer and risk their life for the freedom and safety of our country. Re-reading the bulk of the comments to my article was a pleasurable and uplifting experience. The last known photo of F-4C 64-0755, the Phantom flown in this article. We can assume NVN radars were tracking us and if I had disclosed the secret tacan, it would be simple to backtrack to the tacan location. At 10,000 ft, the automatic man-seat separation features operated exactly as advertised. The Communistss claimed 19 B-52s shot down to date. It was people! And I still think of that crash not itself something that caused a loss of life, but something that reminds me of how significant the memory of wounded F-4 pilots, limping back to base in badly-damaged airplanes, was, and is, to those who served during the Vietnam war. Fast forward 12 hours. On their MiG-killing mission of Jun. Top rudder pedal, however, broke us out at about 5 grand. But I dont think they fixed it right. !Cheers my friend. Many thanks for contributing this excellent memoirhope to read more of your writings in future, and wishing you many more years of life aloft: youve sure earned them! I finally got him to talk and he said, Gary, it was just like Vietnam. Energy Management Clich or Exactitude? There are 58,267 names on The Wall in our nations capital and thats why you are free to voice your misguided opinion, Mr. Walker. Now I know a little bit more about what he did. me 500s. I hope to be delighted with more of your anecdotes. Yeh, the F-4s wings dont come off even from a SAM induced Spin. His remains were returned to the USA in April, 1986, and he is interred at the Air Force Academy Cemetery, Colorado Springs, Colorado. With the helmet strap no longer in existence, my helmet flew off like a slingshot. Even at max takeoff weight, Scotty had to be careful not to exceed the landing gear limit airspeed of 250 knots with both afterburners cooking. Its entirely, entirely because of you guys. You guys were working around the clock to keep the pressure on HCM. The terror I felt just moments before vanished. Although thank you is not enough, I do thank you for your service. November 22, 1966, was selected as the day a massive air strike would be launched against the first of two high-priority targets in North Vietnam (NVN). Binh Duong Province. Sad to hear that your Dad didnt tell you much about his missions. Everybody has heard by now that John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam, captured, and held as a Prisoner of War; it apparently, to some, is his main qualification to be President. * These two pilots shared the credit for the shoot down of the MiG-17 and each were credited for . We were only two minutes from the target, descending through 14,000 ft. at a speed of 540 knots or about 650 miles per hour. You willingly took huge risks, knowing that that mission could be your last. The icing on the cake came when he admitted to the controller that he did not know his position, because his tacan was spooling; he didnt realize we were out of tacan range. Final loss: C-130E 72-1297 (314th TAW) destroyed by rocket fire at Tan Son Nhut AB on 28 April 1975. Scotty Wilson and I were classmates in Pilot Training at Willie Air Patch, Class 64-C, Raindance and Schatzi. My father was at Danang in 67/68. After I was stabilized, the boomer cleared me into the contact position. Amazing story Mr.Crecca, I for one, am glad you are still here among us mere mortals, thank you for sharing your daunting experience, you sure went through hell for 6 years and yet had the courage to ask Nixon for another F-4 About 300 North Vietnamese in black, baggy pajamas, the typical trousers worn in this part of the world, were converging inexorably toward the spot where I would land. His unit was flying in support of South Vietnamese troops fighting in Laos. Muhammad Mahmood Alam was a Pakistani Air Force jet fighter pilot in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965. USAF/ Air National Guard (Retired). You certainly are my Hero! 1972: U.S. claimed 51 MiG-21s destroyed; North Vietnam claimed 53 US aircraft shot down by MiG-21s, including two B-52 Stratofortress bombers. Dogwood 4 was an MND, Maintenance Non Delivery, i.e., no airplane! Approaching what should have been Point Alfa on our planned route, I noticed the nav pointer was off to the left when it should have been dead center straight up. Fogleman became the only Super Sabre pilot ever rescued by riding out on a Cobra helicopter. All we wanted to do was tell him we wanted the French out! I saw an F-4 fly low into Firebase Bastogne in January 1969 and pickle a few rounds on the guys that were over-running our base. As a 110 F4 combat mission Vet, Id like to know. Lockhart is still alive, although. I am most grateful for the hero status conferred upon me by the predominance of commenters. The 1850 John Stuart Mill quote and your comment that you posted above is powerful and right on. The other Marine brought a lit match to the cigarette hed placed in his mouth, and as soon as he did, ZING, a bullet went through the Marines helmet and skull. Stay up to date with the latest articles and selections from our archives. Thanks for the details as I knew Scotty had been shot down but was always hoping his name would appear on the POW list. It was another scene of temporal distortion. Came upon this remarkable story after seeing it linked to another by a good guy who once gave me dual instruction in sailplanes. At this moment the twin J-79 afterburners are briefly licking at the runway with two, huge, yellow-orange flames. 1850 According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. I confirmed this by dialing in Bravos coordinates and the needle pointed straight ahead. back then. Lonely feeling for a pilot over enemy territory. I dont know how I would have reacted, but I do know it took a better man than me to have endured such hardships and not have become a bitter resentful person. A sub-standard OER means you dont get promoted on time. A-1E (S/N 52-132649) was flown by Maj. Bernard Fisher on March 10, 1966, when he rescued a fellow pilot shot down over South Vietnam. By this time I was at 1,500 ft. They were deeply felt. s F-4 Phantoms, paint it with the Squadron 21 and 161's colors and mark the splitter plate with the names of the eight pilots. During the Vietnam War Monika Schwinn, a German nurse, was held captive for three and a half years - at one time the only woman prisoner at the "Hanoi Hilton".The following missionaries were POWs: Evelyn Anderson, captured and later burned to death in Kengkok, Laos, 1972.She is still listed as POW. While the Vietnamese and Chinese have a long history of ethnic combat, the Chinese were happy to limit both Russian and American military influence in SE Asia, by replacing every bullet fired by North Vietnam. For the next two hours I ate dust, dirt, rust flakes and rodent droppings as we pounded our way over the worst rutted roads into Hanoi. If the MiGs didnt come up, he couldnt have a chance to shoot one down. The villagers made short work of removing everything except my T-Shirt and skivvies. Japan, who woulda thunk it? Thanks for the story, Joe. I wish you and yours peace and happiness all the days of your life. God Bless America and her brave warriors! One night I flew #2 to a newly crowned pentagon prince. Enroute, we learned USAF had discovered a major truck convoy up near the Plain of Jars, wanting help. Not that northern Laos is a very hospitable place to be, but it would give you a better chance for a rescue by an Air Force chopper. . I was a flight engineer in the Air Force and National Guard. It is a raising of toasts every night in remembrance for what they did. Fighting against such a cruel political regime didnt seem that bad an idea after all, did it? At the very least, he had just been knocked out. But, I stuck to my story answering the same question in the same way each time. LTJG Hartman & LT Clinton B. . Thanks, again, for your story many more years of good health & happiness to you. all i can do is thank you so much for allowing common people like myself to be inspired . Very sadly, according to the DOD, 1,616 of our brothers are still missing in S.E. Scotty compensated nicely and kept us in formation while I was continually checking six. During the left, 270 degree turn, the flight leader must have been having problems with his navigation system because he asked if our own nav equipment was operating normally, saying, Dogwood 2, hows your inertial?. By The Associated Press. As to the hollow, mean-spirited comment immediately preceding, the Bible admonishes that one not answer a fool according to his folly. So I wont. Permission was granted and I promptly made a big hit with the youngsters in attendance. Better than snakes or drowning in contaminated water, I thought briefly, before I was elevated again and dropped again. Secondly, everybody else all the other strike flights, 15 of them, one after the other were calling, Outbound for weather meaning the target area was socked in and it would be just plain stupid to drop into the clouds where it would be hard to locate the target and easy to get nailed by a SAM (Surface-to-Air Missile). As it turned out, the two men in the Tulsa F-4 ejected safely. Do you know how good a F4 sounds from the darn dirt ?!? Both were exactly right because the top of my parachute was practically in the bottom of the clouds right above me. Hayden Lockhart was the first Air Force pilot to fall into North Vietnamese hands. Thanks so very much. Dinh . Enjoyed your recollections Joe C. I was an Army Helicopter Crew Chief/Mechanic at Camp Eagle near Hue, Phu Bai then Danang MM Airfield, RVN 71-72. Scotty then said over the radio to the leader, Dogwood 2 has a good inertial. Pilots who have used the AN/ASN-46 nav system (Up to 7 NM per hour error) will know whats going on here. Scotty gave the Phantom back to me and then it was my turn. Scotty took one look at the patch which I admit looked a bit Sam Schwartz to me and replied, If we have to break for a SAM, well bring it back without the wingtip.. Had three square meals a day. My father was a Marine. AIRCRAFT SHOT DOWN DURING THE VIETNAM WAR BY USN/USMC PILOTS. From the back seat, I accomplished the fuel on-load at an altitude of 25,000 ft. having to use minimum afterburner on the left engine to stay in position due to the heavy load. Several of our birds went to Nam. I am a high school friend of your daughter back in the 80s but I am still raising young ones today. I imagined the instrument of death: a bullet, a knife, a shovel, hammer, pick, axe At that moment, I felt a long, cool piece of steel slide between my throat and my helmet strap. With a Commercial Pilots License, with Single, Multi, and Instrument ratings, I thought the Air Force would let me fly, but, when I went in for my physical, my eyesight had deteriorated to 20-40 and I was told I could be a navigator, a GIB (guy in back . So glad that you made it back in one piece, and were able to continue flying. In early April, combat flight operations began from detachments at Binh Thuy and Vung Tau. I was too young for Nam, but spent 20 years in the Navy under the water. Others had knives and were, to my complete surprise, cutting the clothing and equipment from my body. Thanks for your story, Joe. [4] 877 Republic of Vietnam aircraft were captured at war's end (1975)[5] Of the 2750[6] aircraft and helicopters received by South Vietnam, only about 308 survived (240 flew to Thailand or US warships[7] and 68 returned to the United States[8]). When I got to the control tower, the controller whod witnessed the crash was catatonic. Thank you for your expressions of gratitude, sir. Lt Cmdr Frederick P Crosby's plane crashed in a pond during the Vietnam War in 1965 (inset). Of course, things were beginning to wind down in Viet Nam by this time, but it was still mega impressive to see the F-4s light em up and blast off the runway like angry rocket-powered birds of prey searching for their next meal! I live on Easy Street. The cockpit pressure vessel was intact; incredibly, it had not been penetrated despite a direct hit by a Soviet SA-2 missile traveling at over Mach 2 with a 400 lb., high-explosive warhead! Scotty Wilson had a beautiful wife and daughter whose lives were torn asunder as well. Summer-67- Lost an engine to one but miraculously survived blast suffocation and stupidly re-started the J-79 after safely- feet wet. Admiral William F. Bringle (seated) how a MiG-17 jet fighter was shot down over North Vietnam. The leaders claim was that we could easily have bingod into the RTAF base on the Thai border, so I should not have abandoned my flight leader. My draft number was 27. From the refueling track exit over northern Thailand, our route took us over northern Laos and into North Vietnam. The only USAF officers who could rise to strategic ranks were from Strategic Air Command (nuke bombers) and a very few from Air Defense Command. Of those servicepeople, 2,382 were killed while serving aboard UH-1 Iroquois, better known as the ubiquitous "Huey." Contents [ hide] I was a classmate with him in 64-C but the other flight. 33 years 6 months after his loss. But then, the blood began to run down from the breaks in the skin on my head and into my eyes. The soil was mercifully soft, loose and moist. I dont know that back in 1973 I was all that appreciative of the Scotty Wilsons, or even the cigarette-smoking Iwo Jima Marines, but as Ive grown and aged during the past 47 years, I cant help but feel enormous gratitude, and sorrow, for those men and women who, but for the grace of God and President Nixon, went where I didnt. Cheers! Thank You for your service. Crash Location: Into Sea off southwest coast of Vietnam near Rach Gia and Ca Mau. 17 apr 1966: arab 511, an a-1h (buno 135398), lt (jg) william l. tromp, va-115, went down following a night attack on coastal targets, near approximately 1818'n, 10610'e. arab 506, his wingman,. Our detachment was working on WWll vintage C-47s, but we got to observe AC-130 gunships and the F-4 unit known as Wolf-Pack in action. I will be forever grateful to all who flew and supported LBII and to President Richard M. Nixon for having the fortitude to send the mighty BUFFs north. Our TOT (Time Over Target) was scheduled for 1153. The door gunner Bobby Harris was KIA during the shoot down. I was a F4 mechanic here at DMAFB in Tucson. First loss: C-123B 56-4370 attached to the 464th TAW which came down on an, First loss: C-130A 57-0475 (817th Troop Carrier Squadron, 6315th Operations Group) on 24 April 1965, a. The United States loses its first B-52 of the war. Mills words to heart whenever necessary. Remains of fighter pilot shot down in WWII identified. Just read this story about your mission over North Vietnam. One source reported that the North Vietnamese claimed to have shot down 218 U.S. manned aircraft in air to air combat in Vietnam, of those kills, 85 are not supported by U.S. records, while another 37 were attributed by the U.S. to surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft fire. I am grateful to him for that, beyond measure. It was then that I could see a shapeless, black mass on the ground. I have four children- ages 34, 30, 11 and 8 and am Grandma to 3 ages 8, 8 & 5. No need to bring up the sorties flown with 1/2 ordnance loads so the (Squadron, Group, Wing) would look good on paper. May God continue to bless you. Dulles had his chance to prevent the un-needed War. Hopefully you have not seen this magnificent video I recently came across, and for a man in love with flight like you proved, I hope it will bring back nothing but happy memories https://vimeo.com/199142621 . Flights were around four hours. There were no J-79s! At least 68 people were killed Sunday when an aircraft went down near the city of Pokhara in central Nepal, a government official said, the country's deadliest plane crash in more than 30 years. Final loss: EC-121R 67-21495 (554th RS) crashed on approach to Korat RTAFB on 6 September 1969, 4 of the 16 men were killed. It is hard to imagine just surviving. I was O.K. And Ill salute only with that nickname fondly given him by my children, our Elder Eagle, who flew Linebacker BUFFS, along with numerous other often difficult taskings, during his 28 years in USAF. Life saver: Severely damaged in combat, this Douglas A-1E was flown by Maj. Bernard Fisher on March 10, 1966, when he rescued a fellow pilot shot down over South Vietnam. 29. pp. But there was no SAM. GlobalSecurity, South Viet Nam Air Force VNAF Aircraft Deliveries. According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. To those who try to insert politics, I agree that it is in extremely poor taste to try to make this such a venue. Suddenly, I was lifted from the floor. The U.S records showing 5,607 helicopter losses[2]. A total of 17 four-ship flights were to hit a vast complex of oil and munitions storage and NVN troops. 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